tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post914091606603881499..comments2024-03-09T22:40:48.096+01:00Comments on Toolerable: Un-Asked-For Advice For "Sven"Brian Evehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04252174035715635674noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-56875283542517638712017-06-14T19:37:19.636+02:002017-06-14T19:37:19.636+02:00Paul Sellers publishes a basic toollist for his co...Paul Sellers publishes a basic toollist for his courses:<br />https://ws-5e0.kxcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ToolList_OCT2013.pdf<br />Otherwise he published his book "essential woodworking hand tools" from which you can establish a longer list.<br />SylvainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-35619825008401153232017-06-11T05:43:22.072+02:002017-06-11T05:43:22.072+02:00I did a major remodel on my garage while I had a t...I did a major remodel on my garage while I had a two month work sabbatical. I was all set to fill a shop with power tools (grew up watching Norm and didn't know there was any other way). At this time I started reading about what tools to get and stumbled into hand tools and it just clicked and made sense. I'm not opposed to power tools as any hobby that gets folks away from couch and tv is fine by me. I just like the peace and quiet and working on developing my hand skills. HoningTheEdgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05398721470046642249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-88697499247536385322017-06-11T05:37:35.261+02:002017-06-11T05:37:35.261+02:00This sure is true. I mostly follow Paul Sellers ad...This sure is true. I mostly follow Paul Sellers advice. He's done it for a long time. At this point where I am very much a newbie I just want to concentrate on one teacher. HoningTheEdgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05398721470046642249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-7048319359979873782017-06-11T05:31:55.552+02:002017-06-11T05:31:55.552+02:00Good point about the intermediate woodworker havin...Good point about the intermediate woodworker having a pretty good idea about what they need. I do find buckets handy. They sit well behind the driver seat in my car and is make it easier to get to things. I tend to use them for several hobbies. HoningTheEdgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05398721470046642249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-10344267046472343412017-06-10T18:24:41.514+02:002017-06-10T18:24:41.514+02:008 inch Grit 1200 Quality Electroplated Diamond coa...8 inch Grit 1200 Quality Electroplated Diamond coated Flat Lap Disk wheel https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BB142R4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_8ZbpzbRTV0DCD This is one of them can go from thereJeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17028867150859768771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-28228355524982598632017-06-10T16:40:32.287+02:002017-06-10T16:40:32.287+02:00When I started WW I went the powered route and pos...When I started WW I went the powered route and posted to lumberjacks for advise on equipment. One older guy recommended start with hand tools instead. I remember thinking... crazy old man. Boy was I wrong!Marshalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13560994749922503865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-57776756192965207882017-06-10T12:46:28.483+02:002017-06-10T12:46:28.483+02:00Almost everything was told here... so I'll jus...Almost everything was told here... so I'll just add:<br />+ 1 for a good square/straight edge/pair of dividersAntóniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10596922451161589842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-48408900538315577282017-06-10T09:25:26.852+02:002017-06-10T09:25:26.852+02:00I don't remember who said to quit reading so m...I don't remember who said to quit reading so much and actually go build something. Good advice. Every woodworker is going to impose un-asked-for advice on you.<br /><br />Thanks for the compliment! Perhaps I should re-visit some of my old posts!<br /><br />Those elm saw benches were the perfect thing for me. You'd be amazed how much work can be done on them when they are all you have.Brian Evehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252174035715635674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-720491208072300852017-06-10T09:21:50.309+02:002017-06-10T09:21:50.309+02:00Guilty!
I keep a pair of Veritas winding sticks t...Guilty!<br /><br />I keep a pair of Veritas winding sticks to remind myself to stay humble about this. Special winding sticks are silly because they can be made so easily.Brian Evehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252174035715635674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-23227527888796988142017-06-10T09:19:56.659+02:002017-06-10T09:19:56.659+02:00This is a good list. I originally intended years a...This is a good list. I originally intended years ago to compile an intermediate tool list, but realized that an intermediate woodworker needs no list from me. Every woodworker goes about things in his own way, and by the time a few projects are under his belt he'll probably know what tools he likes and what he should next get.<br /><br />It's great that you like to keep your tools in a bucket. I have my chair tools in a chest with no dividers, basically a big box. You can put a lot of tools in it that way, but I find it dangerous to root around in there looking for whatever is on the bottom.Brian Evehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252174035715635674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-82083685352083065242017-06-10T02:07:46.505+02:002017-06-10T02:07:46.505+02:00Great post. My #1 piece of advice is "don...Great post. My #1 piece of advice is "don't get so much advice!" There are many ways and toolsets to get good results, so watch out for adding them all together. You'll have a lot more extra tools than just chisels (I have several very nice unopened Narex chisels from my set, too). So pick a mentor or two, like Brian and Jonas. I also like to see how many tools can be made myself. Read Brian's blog from the beginning before buying a jointer plane. Btw, Brian, I still really enjoy seeing those beautiful elm saw benches in most of your posts.<br />Jeffjefskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07371137053872693861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-23146351536564385792017-06-10T00:16:37.903+02:002017-06-10T00:16:37.903+02:001.Buy or acquire wood
- Without wood you cannot w...1.Buy or acquire wood<br /> - Without wood you cannot woodwork<br />2.Hammer, nails, square, pencil, knife, ryoba saw<br />- most beginners do just fine starting out with a nailed butt joint and are usually unaware of many other joints which they will learn later, though I don't favor them ryobas give decent economy with ripping and crosscutting<br />3.2 sided sharpening stone, kerosene, a bit of leather, and honing paste<br />- even the best steel will need sharpening someday, my first strop was made with the leather from a used glove and still have it and it still works<br />4.a few chisels and something with a soft face to strike them<br />agreed with your take, most "sets" of any type of tool is a waste<br />5.number 4 or 5 hand plane<br />my go to is a number 4 with a bit of camber, but I do a lot of smaller projects and the 5 often seems overkill.<br /><br />Or you could do like the rest of us when we were beginners and buy 1 of everything.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429962938670739507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-46097161382564851232017-06-09T20:08:24.697+02:002017-06-09T20:08:24.697+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.HoningTheEdgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05398721470046642249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-65191426155785105082017-06-09T20:04:14.840+02:002017-06-09T20:04:14.840+02:00I just went through this exercise for myself to ou...I just went through this exercise for myself to outline what I want to take over to my dads or going to a class. It's not a bare bones minimum but more along the lines of what I would like to have so I can more or less do the kinds of things I normally do at home and not feel inconvienced when working elsewhere. Though I certainly like the beginner lists, I'm kind of curious what most folks would consider phase 2 and phase 3 of their tool purchases. What I use at home is slightl larger than this list but not dramatically so. I have been woodworking for about two years now and only use handtools. <br /><br /><br />5-1/2 Jack plane with two blades<br />1/4" and 3/4" chisel<br />Thor hammer<br />Dual sided diamond stone<br />Marking knife<br />Engineering square<br />Bevel angle gauge<br />Compass<br />Measuring tape<br />Induction hardened saw<br />Dovetail saw<br />Rasp and a file<br />Veritas dual marking gauge<br />Coping saw<br />Router plane<br />Digital caliper<br />Square awl<br />Pencil<br />Handmade dovetail 1:7 template<br />Oiled rag to lube and protect tools<br />Car glass cleaner<br />Bit 220 grit sand paper<br />Towel to wrap up tools<br />Home Depot bucket with sitting lid top<br /><br />Spokeshave<br />Plough plane<br />Skew rabbet<br />Large hand router<br />Drill and drill bits<br />Cabinet scraper<br />Card scraper<br /><br />HoningTheEdgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05398721470046642249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-4141092048291053892017-06-09T19:07:31.868+02:002017-06-09T19:07:31.868+02:00Thanks, good link. I'll keep an eye out for th...Thanks, good link. I'll keep an eye out for them in Spain.Brian Evehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252174035715635674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-68481397235200286872017-06-09T19:06:01.563+02:002017-06-09T19:06:01.563+02:00Haha! Did I say square meters? I meant square feet...Haha! Did I say square meters? I meant square feet. My keller is about half the size of yours. But, my office is a nice, bright space. I can't complain.Brian Evehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252174035715635674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-3884521700024195052017-06-09T18:23:09.349+02:002017-06-09T18:23:09.349+02:00Ultex do some nice cheap stones:
https://www.its....Ultex do some nice cheap stones: <br />https://www.its.co.uk/search.aspx?rs=diamond-stones&directSearch=true<br /><br />They usually go for £25-30 each but they regularly go on sale for around £10 (which is when I bought my four). For a hobbyist, they're more than adequate; by the time a hobbyist needs to replace one, a professional might need to replace a DMT.Sparkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16822386109798059132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-1286288038375173692017-06-09T18:19:53.619+02:002017-06-09T18:19:53.619+02:00Oh, you can get away with a lot less than 100 squa...Oh, you can get away with a lot less than 100 square metres :D<br />My little shed is 8`x6` which is about 4.5 square metres :D And I lose a square metre of that to a washing machine :D<br />https://twitter.com/boucherhayes/status/873157183789248512<br /><br />You can still do fun stuff like that:<br />http://www.stochasticgeometry.ie/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/IMG_0919a.jpgSparkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16822386109798059132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-58057565740087542212017-06-09T18:03:05.004+02:002017-06-09T18:03:05.004+02:00Good point about what projects he's interested...Good point about what projects he's interested in making. That will definitely shape his long term tool purchases.<br /><br />Do you have a link for those diamond plates?Brian Evehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252174035715635674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-43151254769821740892017-06-09T17:48:47.248+02:002017-06-09T17:48:47.248+02:00A carcass saw is essential whether a cheap pull sa...A carcass saw is essential whether a cheap pull saw or a inexpensive Veritas carcass saw.<br />I'll offer an inexpensive sharpening setup, that I've largely switched to lately:<br />-Cheapo eclipse guide and shop made repeatable angle stops<br />-Ø8" diamond lapping plates from amazon in 240-600-1200 grits from Amazon. I have these stuck to a flat surface (~$50 for all)<br />-Green honing stick. I use on piece of MDF.<br /><br />I'd get a feel for what he wants to make, chairs? cabinetry? spoons? this guides the next steps.Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17028867150859768771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-77888873642777148422017-06-09T17:33:06.823+02:002017-06-09T17:33:06.823+02:00Haha! Perfect! The Frau constantly gives me grief ...Haha! Perfect! The Frau constantly gives me grief for bleeding and needing a Band-Aid. I've found the fabric ones are indispensable in the shop.<br /><br />One can get away with a lot if you have a creative, open mind as far as a shop. I've gotten away with a 100 sq. meter shop for years, and now my shop is also a home office. I've built a couple of projects without any bench, which is possible but not as nice as with one. Now all I have is a pair of saw benches, which improves everything a million percent.<br /><br />If you check out my link for a basic tool kit, you'll see I do indeed recommend saws. Right now my tool chest only has a Ryoba saw, a turning saw, and a flush cut saw. Panel saws and back saws are great, but they can also be a big source of frustration for a beginner without a source for good ones or the knowledge to resharpen.<br /><br />Cheers!Brian Evehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252174035715635674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-83774117743069449222017-06-09T17:24:53.572+02:002017-06-09T17:24:53.572+02:00So O1, A2 and PM-V11 all give excellent results......So O1, A2 and PM-V11 all give excellent results...<br />...but it's a lot easier to sharpen O1. A2 and PM-V11 pretty much need waterstones which can be messy, but O1 you can sharpen on oilstones or diamond stones readily and easily. <br /><br />As to tools in general, you didn't mention saws at all, and Christopher Schwartz will be around in a few minutes to slap you :D<br />Get the saw cut right, and the chisels aren't used as much. Get the saw cut wrong and they're not used at all because you've made firewood :D<br />Cheap panel saws (rip and cross-cut), maybe a tenon saw, and a saw file. Table saws and other power saws are useful because we all have too many fingers, but for accuracy and fun, you want a handsaw. <br /><br />Also, the most important tool in the workshop, namely, a workshop. If you don't have space to do this stuff, you can't do this stuff. <br /><br />And then there's the second-most important tool in the workshop, your workbench. You can make it yourself (I did and I know nothing) and it's a pretty decent first project because if you screw it up, nobody will ever know, it'll probably still work fine, and you should really make more later anyway as you learn what works for you and what doesn't. <br /><br />Third most important, but the very first thing you should buy, a first aid kit. Buy one, throw out half of it, and refill it with spares from St.John's Ambulance, going heavy on the finger dressings and plasters because that's where your new tools are going to stab you most often. <br /><br />After that, it's dependant on what you build, and that's decided by how much space you have which brings us back to the first most important thing again...Sparkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16822386109798059132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-44566418740125278032017-06-09T17:00:50.665+02:002017-06-09T17:00:50.665+02:00Thanks, Jonas!
His middle name is probably Sven. ...Thanks, Jonas!<br /><br />His middle name is probably Sven. But that's the only detail you found inaccurate? :)<br /><br />Once I started only using a few chisels rather than a whole set is how much less time I spent either 1) sharpening, or 2) using a chisel that isn't sharp enough.<br /><br />Cheers!Brian Evehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252174035715635674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-14456135114235484472017-06-09T16:55:38.816+02:002017-06-09T16:55:38.816+02:00A small but not important detail is that Sven is t...A small but not important detail is that Sven is technically called Mikael, not that it matters much regarding what tools he should buy though :-)<br /><br />I know that the Veritas rabbet plane might not be the first choice, but it is such a nice plane to work with e.g shiplapping back boards etc.<br />I think that you are spot on regarding the "use 3 chisels only" approach. That is pretty much how I do at home. The only difference is if I occasionally make some dovetails where a different sized chisel fits perfectly for chopping out the waste. <br /><br />Brgds<br />Jonas<br />Jonas Jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07787393233185454227noreply@blogger.com