tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post3575274657220172420..comments2024-03-09T22:40:48.096+01:00Comments on Toolerable: When a Craft Dies - Music EngravingBrian Evehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04252174035715635674noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-90590650082127422672020-02-04T23:00:53.989+01:002020-02-04T23:00:53.989+01:00Hi, Brian,
Just wanted to weigh in on a few things...Hi, Brian,<br />Just wanted to weigh in on a few things. I am a 40-year veteran of the music engraving business. <br />First, there really are NOT "plenty of (plate engraving) experts" around! I don't know one single person in the states who uses this process. It is truly dead.<br />The final proofing is not left to the performer! Good publishers have rigorous proofreader standards (although not as good as before). You may see a lot of lousy notation because the parts your working from are not engraved by professionals (also, it must be admitted that the skill level of some "professionals" is really sub-par).<br />Plate engravers created superior notation. However, it's not just the process that was responsible for this. Plate engraving requires very intensive training and was barely correctable - it's very inflexible in that way. So it was of paramount importance that every thing be done correctly there first time. Notation on software, on the other hand, requires almost no training to at least start, and is infinitly correctable. There's a huge difference between the old world idea that one must really understand one's trade throughly before starting work, and the modern notion that "I can mess around forever until it looks right". It takes a day to engrave the average page of music. With software, I can do 20. In an emergency, I could do 100 or more pages of (readable but not great) part pages. And, after a performance, I can implement changes the composer might request with ease, without starting over.<br />BUT - plate engraving is far too expensive for a world in which the interest in "serious" music is on the decline. As it is, music publishers are struggling mightily to stay afloat.<br />The analogy between hand woodworking and plate engraving is interesting. But there's a huge difference. No one would plate engrave for their own pleasure, or to set their own piece for their own use...it's not really possible whereas of course there are many many people who do hand tool woodwork for their own use, as well as for commercial purposes. You can't even buy the tools needed to plate engrave. And consider the relative numbers. Ask your average person if he knows a woodworker, then ask them if they know a music engraver. Hah! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18155874433552067318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-25249939426852265432015-02-02T12:20:29.418+01:002015-02-02T12:20:29.418+01:00Hi Sylvain, thanks for the comment.
I have always...Hi Sylvain, thanks for the comment.<br /><br />I have always been fascinated with pipe organs. I am amazed that someone made one for their house!<br /><br />I once had an opportunity to do a solo recital in a church with a pipe organ that was tuned with perfect temperament. What a treat! At least as long was we were in the "neighborhood of C."<br /><br />I once got to visit the cathedral in Kansas City. It is a beautiful building with a good organ, too. The problem was the stained glass windows. They were falling apart at the time, and to fix them took up many times more than was available. I am not sure what happened there, it would be nice to know.Brian Evehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252174035715635674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-17937938366165598252015-02-02T12:13:41.508+01:002015-02-02T12:13:41.508+01:00Hi Steve, thanks for the comment!
I always apprec...Hi Steve, thanks for the comment!<br /><br />I always appreciated people who could write parts out in pen and ink legibly. I first took a class in music theory in 1986, and part of the grade of each assignment was what our manuscripts looked like. I never quite got the knack. I think that is the reason I first got interested in Finale. Nowadays, I like Lilypond the best. I think it produces the most beautiful scores. I think it is interesting that their standard is to try to get their scores to look as good as early 20th century hand-engraved scores as possible. Many people think the interface is too hard to learn. I think there could be a point to that, but if you really want to get good at making music look nice with any of the programs, they are all equally hard to master, with Lilypond perhaps a bit easier in this regard.<br /><br />That's all a bit off topic. I agree that overall I think notation software probably is net positive, but I do wish I didn't have such a critical eye. When a piece of published music is on my stand, I don't think that I, as a hobbyist, should be able to correct the mistakes thinking that I could do a much better job with out too much effort.<br /><br />I am not so sure that classical music is on it's way out. You'll find a lot more people who play piano than do woodworking, for instance. But, I see your point. <br /><br />I also find it interesting to find other woodworkers who are musicians, but we don't have anything on engineers!Brian Evehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252174035715635674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-74199819800582253622015-02-02T10:30:49.878+01:002015-02-02T10:30:49.878+01:00Have a look here:
http://www.rwgiangiulio.com/
Rap...Have a look here:<br />http://www.rwgiangiulio.com/<br />Raphi Giangiulio made himself a serious organ mainly in wood.<br />SylvainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-84478620070478352172015-02-02T10:26:54.225+01:002015-02-02T10:26:54.225+01:00Listening to a live orchestra is an experience tot...Listening to a live orchestra is an experience totally different than listening to a CD; so it is worth paying for it.<br />If one music is endangered, it is organ music. Usually the organ musicians don't own such a costly instrument and it is not movable. But the biggest problem is most of the organs are in churches where they maintenance is somewhat in competition with the maintenance of the building itself. The inadequate maintenance of the building can be catastrophic for the organ if the roof is leaking or if birds can come in. Of course the way the churches are maintened will differ in various States/Countries.<br />If you like organ music go listen whenever there is a concert.<br />SylvainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5591297260116621731.post-24078119674470192752015-02-02T08:53:01.799+01:002015-02-02T08:53:01.799+01:00Hey Brian,
Thanks for a very thoughtful and intere...Hey Brian,<br />Thanks for a very thoughtful and interesting post.<br />Of course, it's not just engraving, but even the simple act of copying music by hand, that is disappearing. I studied with a composer, Brian Ferneyhough (who spent much of his career in Germany--small world!) whose handwritten scores are calligraphic marvels, just visually stunning. So, as a diligent student, I learned to produce manuscripts that looked almost as good as engraved music. That is now a completely useless skill, and I haven't copied a score by hand since 2006.<br />As you say though, there are huge benefits to using notation software. The ability to insert a couple measures in the middle of a piece, for example, something that's trivial in Finale or Sibelius, but an enormous hassle in handwritten music. There are always things lost when new technology takes over, but I've reluctantly concluded that notation software is a net positive. Medieval manuscripts are beautiful, but I'm pretty thankful for the printing press! (Kindle I'm not so sure about)<br />I do think that classical music and hand-tool woodworking are in quite different situations. Classical music seems likely to keep shrinking, as the audience gets smaller and older, and people are less willing to spend money on it. Hand tool woodworking, on the other hand, seems to be growing. Thirty years ago, it was basically impossible to find a decent, newly made hand tool; just look at all the great makers there are today!<br />The difference is that one is suitable as hobby, the other not so much. A 40-year old who wants to learn to make furniture by hand can do it. It's pretty tough to learn to play the violin or compose if you didn't start when you were very young.<br />Anyway, thanks for the post. It's pretty interesting to see how many woodworkers are musicians, and vise-versa. <br />- SteveSteve Voigthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18126881073066259306noreply@blogger.com